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$45 for 15 minutes minimum, then $3/minute for additional time



When I, Debra, first had the idea of life beyond industrialization in 1987, I looked at it and said, “How am I supposed to do this?” Even though I was living in a little cottage in the woods at the time, I was still thinking and living 100% industrial. But I had the idea and now 30+ years later, not only do I understand the concept, but I also have made and continue to make many changes in my life toward that goal. So I know how to make this transformation.

And I’m here to help you do it too.

I have more than 40 years of experience consulting and coaching and it’s something I love to do.

I can help you understand the concept of life beyond industrialization, answer your questions, get you through uncertainties, solve problems, find products, make decisions, and anything else you need to go from being caught in industrial traps to being free, alive, able to make your own decisions about your life, and create your life as you want it to be.

We can also call in Larry when his areas of expertise are needed.